Patch 3.3.2
I've come across a few YouTube users who have "re-uploaded" videos from my channel to their channel (Not favorited, flat out completely downloaded and re-uploaded). I understand that this is gonna happen with all the software that exists to download vids from YouTube, but my rant is: WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT?!?!
If you like the video, FAVORITE IT! If the original poster deletes his/her video or account altogether, then that's how they want it. Respect that. You know what I'm sayin'? My problem with it is the fact that pirated uploads take away hits and possible channel subs from the original posters. We don't get paid for what we do, but what encourages most of us to keep posting is all the comments, subscribers, and video hits we get.
So please.. If you like a video on YouTube, please don't steal it and re-upload it. FAVORITE IT. That's why the feature exists...
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You can do a dmca takedown against those people... dunno how much weight it would hold, but hopefully it wouldb do something
ReplyDelete@stego_s_aurus - If it gets to that point, I might. *does a li'l more research*
ReplyDeleteIt's just funny that people completely ignore the warning YouTube, along with all these other sites where you upload your own content, specifically state 'that you must own or have created the material you post'. Since parody is completely legal, I do what I do. But when ppl flat out post the exact video it's downright annoying...
As far as my music, ppl can knock themselves out posting it as long as they created the video for it. People just don't respect copyright, even if it is the creative commons or "free" copyright.
Well, I don't think it's as much of a bad thing as you make it be.
ReplyDeleteFirst, it may gives more exposure to your video, by placing it alongside other types of content on youtube. And since your videos include your name and stuff, people can't take credit for it. Viewers are not a bunch of moron, if the video captures their interest, they can very well do a google search. In reality it doesn't much more harm than a simple video embed.
But then, I think copying youtube videos should rather be seen as some kind of backup. Sometimes the original video gets pulled from youtube because the author doesn't like it anymore, because he has changed his google account, because it violates copyrights, and what not...
You could, of course, keep a copy on your disk and just publish a list of links (for example, youtube favorites) of videos you like to your friends. But well, you need then to recheck your links every now and then and some people just don't like to do that.
I know that when I seek a video online, and that the original has been removed, I'm always happy to have some copy hanging around.
So, it may not be the nicest thing to do, but well it has it's purpose and people don't mean to harm. Not that it harms very much anyway. You should perhaps ask copycats to include a link to the original. Releasing your video under a Creative Commons license (which contains an "attribute" clause) might help to that effect.
Anyway, copyright claims are moronic. If your start thinking that way, then your videos might very well get pulled offline for violating song copyright (I know they are parodies and they are theoretically allowed, however youtube pulling parodies down is not unheard of).
@Norswap - "In reality it doesn't much more harm than a simple video embed."
ReplyDeleteMy main point is: when someone downloads/hijacks the video and uploads it to their own channel, they are taking away hits from the original poster's channel. It is very different than a "simple video embed" because a vid embed still links to the original poster's channel/video.
"Sometimes the original video gets pulled from youtube because the author doesn't like it anymore..."
I do understand that more copies of videos gives us more exposure, but say I don't like my vocals for that song anymore, recorded a new remastered version and took down the old version? I'd like to know that people respect me, as the artist, enough to know that I don't want the old version out any longer. I understand that people may like the older version still, but the fact of the matter is, it is my work, my voice. If I don't want ppl to hear it anymore, people should respect that. This is a completely hypothetical situation though. Not saying I plan on doing it. Just saying that people should respect artists' wishes AND COPYRIGHT.
"Anyway, copyright claims are moronic."
It is difficult for me to take no offense by a comment like this.
"If your start thinking that way, then your videos might very well get pulled offline for violating song copyright..."
This actually sounds like a threat and not just an informative warning. =( And I only commented on copyright because my friend Stego mentioned the DMCA stuff before you commented. Plus, isn't it against YouTube's EULA to download videos from YouTube?! My videos are posted on YouTube only, not available for download anywhere else. Just sayin' ....
But the bottom line is I "get paid/rewarded" to do this awesome hobby by channel subscribers and video hits. I don't care how selfish that sounds, it is the truth. And if hits are going elsewhere, even if it is to content that I made, I'm not seeing those hits. Do you understand what I'm saying? I love singing and all, but there is a HUGE encouragement and inspiration from the people that wanna hear it. ^_^
"I'd like to know that people respect me, as the artist, enough to know that I don't want the old version out any longer."
ReplyDeleteWell I support that once you've released something (a song, a video, ...), it's no longer yours. And people may actually like the older version better. It's like the words you speak, once they're out you can no longer take them back.
That being said, I concede there are certain image rights. But certain people tend to abuse them. IMHO pulling offline old versions of songs/videos would be one of them.
"It is difficult for me to take no offense by a comment like this."
Sorry, this wasn't directed against you. I strongly dislike copyright and tend to think they discourage creativity (that was what I meant by the fact that if your videos might got copyright problems, it would discourage your creativity). Moreover I cultivate certain views about ideas and art that might be too lengthy to expose here. But in essence : they are meant to be shared, passed over, transformed.
"This actually sounds like a threat"
What the ... ?! It isn't. Note it would make me a moron by my own terms. You don't fight something you disapprove by doing it yourself.
"But the bottom line is I "get paid/rewarded" to do this awesome hobby by channel subscribers and video hits."
I tend to think this is vain. But I understand the feeling and there's really no rational argument you can oppose to that. Except maybe that a quick youtube search and an addition could do the trick :) Or consider the number of copied video as yet another score to hold account of.
Remember "Copy is the most sincere form of flattery." :)
@Norswap -
ReplyDelete--"Well I support that once you've released something (a song, a video, ...), it's no longer yours."
Obviously, you feel differently about creative works than I do. And I honestly understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree with you.
I do agree, however, that "Copy is the most sincere form of flattery." But only in the sense that whoever is "copying" is actually adding/creating/doing some part of the new work him or herself. I do not believe that simply downloading a video and uploading it to a YouTube is equal to creating the video or work itself. This is why the "Favorite" feature on YouTube exists.
Here's an excellent example of what I mean about videos that "copy" others' works. This user made the video herself, yet used my music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucAKmVzp7bY
--"I tend to think this is vain."
It is vain. I do enjoy seeing that people like my work and as a result, it makes me want to produce more. So in this case, vanity is a driving factor. Do you see how getting more hits and subs encourage me to keep up this hobby because of the fact that I can see that people want to hear more?
One more thing about Creative Commons: I understand that releasing material under Creative Commons Copyright allows others to redistribute work as long as they attribute the creator. But users that reupload my work and give me credit will still be asked to delete the video(s). I feel that by reposting my vids to YouTube on their own channel(s) it is equal to him/her taking credit for the video themselves since they get the hits/subs/rates/comments/whetever.. You may feel differently about this. But it's how I feel, and it's what I'll do knowing that the average attention span is as short as 8 seconds, and people don't often tend to do the research or even click on the "More Info"!!!
But still, thank you for your comments.
About Creative Commons, submitting work under the license forms a legal agreement, therefore if you plan to take down reposted videos, that would form a violation of this agreement. So if you plan to do this, you shouldn't license your videos under creative commons.
ReplyDeleteAbout the whole number of view things, I understand it can be encouraging. However this does not necessarily mean that people liked the video, it might simply come out of exposure on high traffic websites like wow.com.
About "the average users", it might seem worthy to set yourself to literally blow their minds so they absolutely have to google you. Anyway, why bother about someone who doesn't really pay attention to what you've done and/or don't like enough to get information on your other stuff ?
I tend to think that the quality of a video is better measured by how much people like it (as opposed to how many people saw it). It is (imho) more pleasing to receive one good telling how awesome the video this and why the commenter liked it than to get 10.000 additional views.
In the end, you get to decide, I just tried to show you a different viewpoint :)
@Norswap - I understand what you're saying. The number of hits my page gets doesn't mean that every viewer liked the video. Maybe I should have been more clear about "hits" not being my motivation. It's the channel subs and comments that I'm really talking about. And when users go to someone else's upload of my work and DO leave a positive comment or subscribe to that user, I don't ever get to see it unless I search for it...?! My gawd, the fact that you're nitpicking my every word is starting to annoy me.
ReplyDeleteThe videos of mine that were uploaded by other users had comments on them that were encouraging... for me. Yet I wouldn't have even seen them if I didn't find it.
Please understand that I do comprehend what you're saying. At this point, I just feel that I own the work I create. And subscribers OTHER users earn as a result of posting MY videos simply aggravates me because of the fact they do not own the work. [period]
Thank you for showing me another viewpoint.